tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post3819602007531430644..comments2024-02-28T22:24:07.299-08:00Comments on Community Forum for HCC (APP) in Seattle Schools: Open threadAndrew Siegelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06830585083467140758noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-52941168238430179222013-02-01T11:03:22.622-08:002013-02-01T11:03:22.622-08:00dw,
Thank you for your response to my question re...dw, <br />Thank you for your response to my question re high IQ/avg processing/little extrinsic motivation. We're reading up re the factors you mentioned, and the technical report. Thanks for taking the time and for your insightful advice. <br />-LearningAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-15533269734802528622013-02-01T11:02:54.575-08:002013-02-01T11:02:54.575-08:00dw,
Thank you for your response to my question re...dw, <br />Thank you for your response to my question re high IQ/avg processing/little extrinsic motivation. We're reading up re the factors you mentioned, and the technical report. Thanks for taking the time and for your insightful advice. <br />-LearningAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-39090864797285828402013-01-28T16:10:15.718-08:002013-01-28T16:10:15.718-08:00I just managed to leave a comment in another threa...I just managed to leave a comment in another thread, so I'll try again here. The spam situation is unfortunate. Like I said earlier, I've pretty much given up on posting here, although I am obviously trying again now. <br /><br />Might I suggest asking Melissa Westbrook (or Charlie Mas) how they manage it on the Seattle Schools Community blog. It took a little effort to tweak the filters, I think, and they still get the occasional spam they delete manually, and the occasional post that gets filtered, but it seems to be working for them.<br /><br />Also, Wordpress seems to have a much better assortment of tools to make managing these things easier. Heck, I wouldn't even mind seeing a moderated forum (although you still need to deal with spam, it's just a little easier and the spammers are less motivated), but I'm not sure how well that would be liked overall. Just some thoughts.<br /><br />Crossing my fingers as I click Publish.dwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-38238050202254776402013-01-28T07:08:08.184-08:002013-01-28T07:08:08.184-08:00dw, ran the experiment with turning off captchas, ...dw, ran the experiment with turning off captchas, spam flooded in. So, that's not going to work.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-1803842044727880282013-01-26T17:30:51.345-08:002013-01-26T17:30:51.345-08:00Evergreen explicitly states that processing speed ...Evergreen explicitly states that processing speed should not be used to measure gifted ness according to best practice, and so they only accept GAI. Our private tester wrote in our report that our child's FSIQ was invalid because of a 30 point difference between processing speed and the other measures. Both were qualifying scores, but really, SPS should follow research and look at GAI. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-89909788866013940312013-01-26T14:10:35.960-08:002013-01-26T14:10:35.960-08:00Another discussion around WISC and processing spee...Another discussion around WISC and processing speed, related specifically to gifted identification (and a bit more readable):<br /><br /><a href="http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/About_GDC/whoaregiftd.htm" rel="nofollow">Who are the Gifted Using <br />the New WISC-IV?</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-82449846482707889762013-01-26T12:16:50.680-08:002013-01-26T12:16:50.680-08:00dw, I'll try turning off the captcha for a whi...dw, I'll try turning off the captcha for a while, let's run an experiment and see how bad the spam gets, if it's not too bad I'll leave it off.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-40952560378578892202013-01-26T11:45:35.218-08:002013-01-26T11:45:35.218-08:00Acceptance into APP is based on MAP (or ITBS or WJ...Acceptance into APP is based on MAP (or ITBS or WJ or some other achievement test) and CogAT. Are the scores you're discussing part of private testing? We did the district testing and don't even have that measure. If it doesn't factor into the admission, should it factor into whether or not APP is a good fit?<br /><br />If wishes were horses, etc, APP would be about challenging one's mind, not one's organizational skills. Quality vs quantity. Unfortunately, what APP is or should be seems to vary with the teacher. There's no defined curriculum or delivery model. Some seem to think APP is about more work. Some provide more challenging work, which is for what I'd hope. Some provide little challenge and little work. Is it any different than the district as a whole? You really never know what to expect year to year.<br /><br />When asked whether it's a good fit for someone with "very high-IQ" who demonstrates "average processing/completion speed" and "nearly no extrinsic motivation," it's hard to say. Define motivation. Motivation to learn or motivation to get good grades? They don't always go hand in hand. <br /><br />Having been with APP for several years, we still ask if it's a good fit. Our ideas of what it was or should be or could be don't match the current reality of the program.<br /><br />in APPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-26448226222226742292013-01-26T10:42:43.572-08:002013-01-26T10:42:43.572-08:00I'm going to try to post here once again. I&#...I'm going to try to post here once again. I'd basically given up, thanks to the captcha difficulties. Greg, you asked in another thread about it, but when I tried to post a comment I could never get past the captcha. Ironic, huh?<br /><br /><i>Any thoughts on how good of a fit APP Lincoln is for very high-IQ kids who demonstrate average processing/completion speed? and nearly no extrinsic motivation? Thanks.</i><br /><br />Did your child do the WISC-IV? If so, and they scored exceptionally high on the cog stuff with the exception of processing speed (PSI), then you should read: <a href="http://www.pearsonassessments.com/NR/rdonlyres/1439CDFE-6980-435F-93DA-05888C7CC082/0/80720_WISCIV_Hr_r4.pdf" rel="nofollow">WISC-IV Technical Report #4</a>, paying attention to issues with PSI/WMI and the use of GAI rather than FSIQ. Yes, this is a lot of acronyms, but you should go read it. It's not uncommon for some highly gifted kids to have issues with speed, due to things like perfectionism, committing the answer to paper, etc., and this technical report addresses some of the issues.<br /><br />Where it falls short is if a child has issues with processing speed, but <i>doesn't</i> have issues with working memory (WMI). This should indicate a child that is no less capable (and in fact, slightly more capable) than a child with low WMI and low PSI. In any case, I hope you find something useful in that document. Unfortunately, unless policies have changed in recent years, the AL office won't look at GAI, only FSIQ, which is <i>not</i> best practice, according to the makers of WISC-IV.<br /><br />The issue of no extrinsic motivation might be a bigger deal, frankly. There are definitely kids in APP that aren't particularly motivated, but they are part of a cohort of mostly <i>very</i> motivated kids. For some kids, being immersed in that environment can be a motivator in itself, but if not, it can be frustrating to be around so many other kids that are always going to do Whatever It Takes to get that A+ on every assignment. Nothing surprising here, you'll just have to think carefully about the fit for your child on a very individual basis. Good luck.dwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-59486324640446309202013-01-25T09:29:50.773-08:002013-01-25T09:29:50.773-08:00Re: 7th grade APP LA/SS -
Just for another persp...Re: 7th grade APP LA/SS - <br /><br />Just for another perspective, my son also has Ellison, and he does not find the homework to be excessive. He certainly doesn't spend nearly the amount of time you describe on it on a regular basis. That said, he is not a perfectionist and won't spend 50%+ of his time to get an additional 5% on his grade (something I had a problem with when I was his age).<br /><br />He did say that due dates sometime change, but when they do, they are always pushed back to allow for more time, so he didn't think it was unfair. <br /><br />Another 7th grade HIMS MomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-53852094842856416752013-01-25T09:12:51.835-08:002013-01-25T09:12:51.835-08:00Isn't there a problem with the curriculum, or ...Isn't there a problem with the curriculum, or its delivery, if some kids are spending 1-2 hours on HW a night, in middle school, just for one core class? What percentage of the class finds it doable? My child's observation was if one student is able to do the work, it is then assumed by the teacher to be reasonable and doable. The work itself isn't hard, it can just be very time consuming. <br /><br />In science - which my child says is challenging in a good way - the work requires thinking and effort, but most work can be done in class. My child feels like there is more learning, comparatively, despite less time spent outside of class. My child is spending disproportionately more time on LA/SS, but can't tell me much about what they have learned. It's frustrating.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-31278662712043063212013-01-24T19:02:24.412-08:002013-01-24T19:02:24.412-08:00Like I said, my son is in the split block--Ellison...Like I said, my son is in the split block--Ellison for WC and Moriarty for LA. I don't know whether it's the subject or the teacher but the hw workload is much lighter in Moriarty's for us--for which I am thankful. He did tell me that LA was going to be more of the driving force in the block second semester, so we may be seeing more hw from him then--I don't know. He's been great, though, my son really enjoys working with him.<br /><br />--7th grade momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-82911177261520956482013-01-24T18:22:44.312-08:002013-01-24T18:22:44.312-08:007th gr APP LA/SS seems to be A LOT of HW, I agree....7th gr APP LA/SS seems to be A LOT of HW, I agree. There are 2 teachers, Ellison and Moriarty. Can someone weigh in on whether the HW overload (as i see it) is equivalent in both teachers classes? My son has Ms Ellison and he routinely puts in 1 1/2 hrs or more reading, studying, taking notes, writing essays every night. Plus weekends. Somehow I would feel better about this if Mr Moriarty's class had the same workload, perhaps it is the curriculum. This all in addition to all other classes HW, so IMO too much.HIMS momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-69465446824094513062013-01-23T15:16:18.661-08:002013-01-23T15:16:18.661-08:00Yep. Different section, same issue. Our child is m...Yep. Different section, same issue. Our child is methodical and a bit of a perfectionist. Directions and due dates tend to be unclear or changing, which add to the challenge. Then there's the requirement to do everything in pen, so it gets done in pencil first, then copied over in pen...<br /><br />anon@1:52Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-68202953963924206772013-01-23T14:52:31.892-08:002013-01-23T14:52:31.892-08:00Re: 7th grade APP this year--yep, that's where...Re: 7th grade APP this year--yep, that's where we are too. My attention challenged son is spending a disproportionate amount of time trying to deal with one class. I wonder if it's the same one you're struggling with? It's a World Cultures class. (Would be LA/WC, I guess, but we're in a split block.)<br /><br />Thanks for the homeschooling advice, anonymous!<br /><br />--7th grade momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-87991210130388667752013-01-23T13:52:00.713-08:002013-01-23T13:52:00.713-08:00Re: 7th grade APP this year
We're finding the...Re: 7th grade APP this year<br /><br />We're finding the work load for a particular class is on the heavy side and our child feels compelled to stay up late trying to meet deadlines (not healthy). We're having battles about needing to just go to bed.<br /><br />Anyone else?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-76748431749937031692013-01-23T12:02:30.112-08:002013-01-23T12:02:30.112-08:00That's great information and would be good for...That's great information and would be good for more people to see, so I started a new thread, "<a href="http://discussapp.blogspot.com/2013/01/how-to-partially-home-school-in-app.html" rel="nofollow">How to partially home school in APP</a>", to talk about it more. Please move discussion on that topic over there.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-67855448333458939782013-01-23T11:44:37.985-08:002013-01-23T11:44:37.985-08:00Part time homeschooling in middle school:
Let the...Part time homeschooling in middle school:<br /><br />Let the registrar know in the Spring that you intend to part time homeschool for the upcoming school year. It makes it easier to schedule a late start or early realease. Note your intention on the class choice sheet. Prior to the beginning of the school year, get a "Declaration of Intent to Provide Home Based Instruction" form from the homeschool center (now called Cascade Parent Partnership Program). Submit the completed form to CPPP and a copy to the registrar at your school. You can also do it right before the semester.<br /><br />That's about the extent of it. Your child will need to be dropped off late or picked up early. Another alternative is taking more electives to maintain a full 6 period schedule and transportation. <br /><br />I'd contact the CPPP for the paperwork details and the school for scheduling details and other info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-61758993965163848012013-01-23T11:21:35.411-08:002013-01-23T11:21:35.411-08:00Can anyone tell me who to contact about homeschool...Can anyone tell me who to contact about homeschooling for one subject in middle school? I'm trying to get the ball rolling.<br /><br />And, anonymous at 7:30, you've described my kid, and we are struggling in APP middle school. Hence the homeschooling... Though mine is also challenged with attention and organization, so if yours isn't, APP may work better for you.<br /><br />--7th grade mom<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-48630157485817346642013-01-22T19:30:12.167-08:002013-01-22T19:30:12.167-08:00Any thoughts on how good of a fit APP Lincoln is f...Any thoughts on how good of a fit APP Lincoln is for very high-IQ kids who demonstrate average processing/completion speed? and nearly no extrinsic motivation? Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-73255301096795110792013-01-21T20:49:02.389-08:002013-01-21T20:49:02.389-08:00Confused-
Don't do it for your kid then. My ...Confused-<br /><br />Don't do it for your kid then. My child is fine with it and has no problem understanding what is happening around them.<br /><br />My child has told me they appreciate missing math at school. They are challenged and learning at home.<br /><br />-partial homeschoolerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-88277387467729694872013-01-21T20:33:53.681-08:002013-01-21T20:33:53.681-08:00I understand supplementing, but pulling your kid o...I understand supplementing, but pulling your kid out for part of the day unless it is during math seems counterproductive to his or her ability to follow what is going on in school.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-30309920445479019612013-01-21T20:12:19.320-08:002013-01-21T20:12:19.320-08:00This is Anon@1:48. Yes: It's the math, mainly....This is Anon@1:48. Yes: It's the math, mainly. Our daughter's pretty far out there even w/in the context of APP. I'd say that's in spite of school. E.g., she ended 1st grade APP w/a lower level of skill than she had a year before she started regular K. And then that affected her general enjoyment of school, her view of her general scholastic competency. Re how it is for teachers to have PT-ers, I don't know, but at the end of the day it's not about what grownups need/want. Of the few kids we know who are PT APP elementary, their parents mainly want their kids to continue liking school, to learn new things, and to not get stressed out in these early years. Their attitude has seemed to help with making it work for all parties. <br /><br />-Contemplating PTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-67629373177127239202013-01-21T18:46:50.560-08:002013-01-21T18:46:50.560-08:00Anon-
You nailed it. That's why we are parti...Anon-<br /><br />You nailed it. That's why we are partially homeschooling. My kid has learned 1 1/2 years of math already this year. We are expecting them to finish 2+ years of math this year and they are getting quality math, not the crap taught in school. My child will be able to look at a math problem and actually understand how to deal with it. The "discovery" math used by this idiotic district does not teach a kid how to break down and solve problems.<br /><br />-get better curriculum<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-72301200088669762772013-01-21T14:48:21.097-08:002013-01-21T14:48:21.097-08:00Because the math is woefully inadequate. Just a gu...Because the math is woefully inadequate. Just a guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com