tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post4166906890562949133..comments2024-02-28T22:24:07.299-08:00Comments on Community Forum for HCC (APP) in Seattle Schools: Another open threadAndrew Siegelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06830585083467140758noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-61764486116664717432012-02-28T11:45:52.304-08:002012-02-28T11:45:52.304-08:00I think I will! I'm picturing more of a websit...I think I will! I'm picturing more of a website forum that users visit (rather than an email group), because there are different threads that get re-visited frequently and would be useful for newcomers to be able to find easily. I'll look into it and post here with more details.<br /><br />While I'm happy and able to set this up, I don't have time to do the ongoing moderating. If anyone else is interested in helping out, please let me know.barefootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-53752356955930378982012-02-28T07:30:19.599-08:002012-02-28T07:30:19.599-08:00Barefoot, that's a fine idea. It's easy t...Barefoot, that's a fine idea. It's easy to create one of those using Google Groups or similar services. If you or anyone else wants to do that, it would provide another outlet for discussion among APP parents.<br /><br />That's the main reason this blog exists, an attempt to provide a unfettered public forum for APP parents to discuss the APP program in Seattle's public schools. There seemed to be a need back when this blog was created and again when it was revived.<br /><br />Creating other forums and other blogs is perfectly reasonable and a fine idea. Please go for it if you have the interest and motivation.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-48567190738791593962012-02-27T21:43:59.767-08:002012-02-27T21:43:59.767-08:00Just wondering, has anyone considered making this ...Just wondering, has anyone considered making this a discussion forum (a web-based discussion board) rather than a blog? Or some hybrid? The blog format works great for news items, but it's really awkward for any kind of discussion and replies. It would be great to have a forum / discussion board, divided into different APP-relevant topics. (There could be topics for each specific APP site, an enrollment/appeals topic, and others for cross-site topics like: diversity in APP, helping your child with the homework load, perfectionist kids, SPS news, etc.)barefootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-18809871255762458742012-02-27T21:39:11.147-08:002012-02-27T21:39:11.147-08:00To Anonymous 2/22 2:15, with the questions about t...To Anonymous 2/22 2:15, with the questions about the WPPSI & appeals: my recollection from our appeal last year was that the important thing was the Full Scale score, not the component scores. (My son's full-scale qualified, though I think his Performance score was under 98.) I thought GAI and Full-Scale were the terms for the composite scores of two different tests (one for WISC, one for WPPSI)? The Advanced Learning Appeals page on the SPS website says that they look at "Full scale and GAI."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-10283717653524122392012-02-27T13:22:34.215-08:002012-02-27T13:22:34.215-08:00Interesting letter from Bob Vaughan (via suep). L...Interesting letter from Bob Vaughan (via suep). Looks like it will generate a lot of discussion. I created a new thread, "<a href="http://discussapp.blogspot.com/2012/02/low-limit-on-app-students-at-ingraham.html" rel="nofollow">Low limit on APP students at Ingraham</a>", for it.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-8697513620397117472012-02-27T12:47:39.858-08:002012-02-27T12:47:39.858-08:00One of Garfield's draws, besides the academics...One of Garfield's draws, besides the academics, is the jazz program. Both Roosevelt and Ballard have strong programs, with both bands going to Essentially Ellington this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-64865626448909115422012-02-27T12:35:58.398-08:002012-02-27T12:35:58.398-08:00I have always thought that as the years passed and...I have always thought that as the years passed and the APP split really took hold, the kids who have gone to middle school at Hamilton (and now northend APP elementary also), would find commuting to the central district for high school a less popular option. Prior to the split, travelling to WMS was a daily ritual, making Garfield a comfortable choice. Now GHS feels like a long way from the northend, the kids have not been together for middle school, and the attraction has lessened. I would blame the APP split and the intended migration, and not Garfield, especially now that Ingraham is going to have a cap. The powers that be have wanted APP to be dispersed to all high schools, I think, and in just two short years, that seems to be happening, at least for Ballard and Roosevelt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-71355441086358598262012-02-27T12:15:31.440-08:002012-02-27T12:15:31.440-08:00Based on the comments, it sounds like most Hamilto...Based on the comments, it sounds like most Hamilton families are going to choose Ingraham and if they don't get that option they will send their kids to Roosevelt or Ballard?<br /><br />Do they feel like they aren't welcome at Garfield anymore? I can't imagine making a neighborhood choice when the neighborhood schools don't offer the same AP options as Garfield nor have the cohort of kids that the community has consistently said is required in order to make the high school program successful...<br /><br />I'm not necessarily worried about Garfield, as the majority of WMS kids are most likely going there (I haven't heard of a mass exodus) - just curious as to why people are thinking that if North kids can't go to Ingraham they will not go to Garfield...<br /><br />There are many North end kids at Garfield this year (9th graders) that are extremely happy. Don't know why that wouldn't continue.<br /><br />-SLLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-68662789546128487342012-02-27T12:13:50.262-08:002012-02-27T12:13:50.262-08:00I am not so sure; have any APP 8th grade parents r...I am not so sure; have any APP 8th grade parents received the letter from the district with their fall 2012 assignment at Garfield? <br /><br />If so, what does it say in terms of opting to the neighborhood assigned high school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-40015560478860627242012-02-27T10:28:45.257-08:002012-02-27T10:28:45.257-08:00You're still a neighborhood student no matter ...You're still a neighborhood student no matter what, as far as I know. I don't see how they could suddenly tell you your address didn't matter.<br /><br />Helen Schinskehschinskehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10316478950862562594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-62928074344922330782012-02-27T10:15:47.465-08:002012-02-27T10:15:47.465-08:00If Ingraham caps APP enrollment, will North end fa...If Ingraham caps APP enrollment, will North end families then start choosing Roosevelt and Ballard in greater numbers? <br /><br />With the new assignment plan, if it's their neighborhood school, they should be guaranteed enrollment if they apply during open enrollment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-39146313446745010592012-02-27T09:36:13.003-08:002012-02-27T09:36:13.003-08:00I have a question about highschool. APP students ...I have a question about highschool. APP students are automatically assigned to Garfield, with the option of applying to the IBx if scores meet the requirements.<br /><br />But, what if an APP student wants their neighborhood highschool, like Roosevelt or Ballard? Are the moved to the back of the line?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-60243239539815443772012-02-27T09:24:51.840-08:002012-02-27T09:24:51.840-08:00I'd like a new open thread once a week as well...I'd like a new open thread once a week as well; I think people can figure out how to move the discussion to the latest thread and then we won't have to scroll so far down to see new comments.<br />Thanks!<br />Zella OzretichZella917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-17398270050728227422012-02-27T08:49:36.102-08:002012-02-27T08:49:36.102-08:00@Anon Feb. 25 9:22 pm - our daughter tested into A...@Anon Feb. 25 9:22 pm - our daughter tested into APP in elementary school; however, we kept her at her ALO school. She retained her APP eligibility and we were able to transfer her to APP in 6th grade. JaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-48230233104716649072012-02-27T07:02:22.719-08:002012-02-27T07:02:22.719-08:00It's not a bad idea to do new open threads fre...It's not a bad idea to do new open threads frequently. The problem that we have hit in the past is that creating new threads when the old threads are still very active splits conversations apart. People get confused about whether to post their question in the old threads, where everyone else was talking about the same thing, or to go the new thread, which is where all the new stuff is. And it readers end up having a harder time following conversations.<br /><br />I usually create new open threads when the old open threads are mostly quiet and after a new topic-specific post has been up at the very top of the page for a while. Does that work well? Or would you prefer lots more open threads even if it might have this problem I mentioned of splitting and confusing conversations?Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-30493983834031996172012-02-27T01:18:57.228-08:002012-02-27T01:18:57.228-08:00Could you please start a new open thread once a we...Could you please start a new open thread once a week so it's easier to see what's new?Thanksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-81555235737691067622012-02-26T18:19:01.752-08:002012-02-26T18:19:01.752-08:00I'm confused about the uneven support at Garfi...I'm confused about the uneven support at Garfield as well. I currently have an APP student at Garfield and I don't hear a "sucking sound" at all...WMS mom - do you have a current student at Garfield that has had an experience that would clarify your comment?<br /><br />-Curious too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-10891641369166066022012-02-26T12:16:08.966-08:002012-02-26T12:16:08.966-08:00Washington mom - could you elaborate on the uneven...Washington mom - could you elaborate on the uneven support at Garfield for APP?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-51786530816765760232012-02-25T21:22:13.069-08:002012-02-25T21:22:13.069-08:00This may be dense, but here goes: my K student is ...This may be dense, but here goes: my K student is newly APP eligible and our current school is an ALO school. We've decided to spend 1st grade at our current school and see how it goes. I am writing here to confirm that if we do this, we still have the option of moving to APP for 2nd grade. I know we "retain eligibility", but just looking for confirmation that yes, that means you can enroll in APP for any future elementary grade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-66399854523169834522012-02-25T15:11:59.538-08:002012-02-25T15:11:59.538-08:00Capping APP at Ingraham when the school has about...Capping APP at Ingraham when the school has about 950 students doesn't make sense. They have plenty of room for at least 300 more. Is this to protect Garfield from a huge sucking sound? Given the momentum at Ingraham, and the uneven support for APP at Garfield, I wonder if there is more to the story.<br />Washington momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-4673661323446725562012-02-25T11:24:13.958-08:002012-02-25T11:24:13.958-08:00This Ingraham situation is is troubling. If they ...This Ingraham situation is is troubling. If they can cap enrollment at Ingraham, why not Garfield? Isn't capacity an issue at Garfield as well: "As to why there might ever be any limit on enrollment in this program, remember that capacity needs to be available for nearby resident students."<br /><br />As long as they co-house APP, neighborhood kids will get priority. Might they be considering making APP a lottery program throughout the district...?<br /><br />L@L parents might want to especially take note. North capacity is so limited, and the north elementary program is going to be over 500 next year.<br /><br />ConcernedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-54932238839391230612012-02-25T09:40:51.547-08:002012-02-25T09:40:51.547-08:00@Anon @February 25, 2012 1:04 AM
I have asked Bob...@Anon @February 25, 2012 1:04 AM<br /><br />I have asked Bob Vaughan to clarify whether he is indeed saying there is going to be a cap, or whether Ingraham will add another class if they get more than 64 APP applicants.<br /><br />I'll post his response here when I get it.suep.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17281578510716234624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-19038227470803414692012-02-25T09:09:48.817-08:002012-02-25T09:09:48.817-08:00We have one more year before the decision, but I r...We have one more year before the decision, but I really like this:<br />"There are now two excellent opportunities for academically highly gifted cohorts of APP-eligible students at the high school level."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-86039536847274253832012-02-25T01:04:57.734-08:002012-02-25T01:04:57.734-08:00My daughter has her heart set on Ingraham. This ca...My daughter has her heart set on Ingraham. This cap on Ingraham APP is not what I want to hear right now.<br />Washington momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-45046693546297603302012-02-24T22:28:56.610-08:002012-02-24T22:28:56.610-08:00RE: APP seats at Ingraham H.S.
I asked Bob Vaugha...<b>RE: APP seats at Ingraham H.S.</b><br /><br />I asked Bob Vaughan and the APP AC about whether there is or will be a cap on APP seats at Ingraham.<br /><br />Here's his response (dated 2/24/12):<br /><br /><i>Dear families interested in the new APP/IB program at Ingraham HS,<br /><br />Unlike Garfield HS (which is the designated APP pathway high school where every rising APP 8th grader is automatically assigned), the Ingraham APP/IB program is described in our New Student Assignment Plan (NSAP) Transition Plan For 2012-2013 ( approved by School Board 1/25/12) as an option for which students need to apply. Applicable NSAP tiebreakers for 2012-13 are (1) Sibling and ( 2) Lottery. <br /><br />Currently, full implementation for APP at Ingraham for 9th grade for next year is two full classrooms of APP students. This means there is room for 64 APP students. There are currently two groups of 9th grade students in this program (2011-12). We are initially planning for two groups of 9th graders again for next year (2012-13). As with all schools, the enrollment department will be monitoring applications during Open Enrollment to see if an adjustment to three groups is warranted. <br /><br />If the program continues to grow in popularity, and particularly as larger middle school cohorts move up, it may be appropriate to consider additional program capacity at Ingraham. This will need to be addressed in planning for subsequent years. When originally conceived, the APP/IB option for Ingraham envisioned as many as 60 students per grade level over four years.<br /><br />As to why there might ever be any limit on enrollment in this program, remember that capacity needs to be available for nearby resident students. Also, as the designated high school for our International Schools program, Ingraham is the guaranteed pathway school for rising language immersion students coming from John Stanford and MacDonald International Schools through Hamilton International Middle School. Space needs to be planned for these students, as well.<br /><br />There are now two excellent opportunities for academically highly gifted cohorts of APP-eligible students at the high school level. I look forward to working with you to assure there is sufficient capacity and continuing program improvement for APP students in the months and years to come.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Bob Vaughan<br /><br />Robert C. Vaughan, Ph.D.<br />Manager, Advanced Learning<br />Seattle Public Schools<br />206-252-0130</i>suep.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17281578510716234624noreply@blogger.com