tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post417347807803351691..comments2024-02-28T22:24:07.299-08:00Comments on Community Forum for HCC (APP) in Seattle Schools: Open threadAndrew Siegelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06830585083467140758noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-55491273871785801382013-10-12T08:18:38.891-07:002013-10-12T08:18:38.891-07:00From the moderator:
Right, so, that's annoyin...From the moderator:<br /><br />Right, so, that's annoying, but borderline.<br /><br />As the moderator, I don't want people using anonymity for name calling here, and posts that do so may risk deletion.<br /><br />I also look out for severe issues around privacy as well. Naming children or parents, especially anonymously, and then slandering them isn't a great thing.<br /><br />As I'm sure many of you know, public figures generally are not provided the same privacy as private individuals. People running for political office, like Sue Peters, generally have to expect to be named and discussed. People who are presidents of organizations also are fairly public, especially in a discussion about that organization.<br /><br />Generally, I only delete posts that are particularly bad. I don't like moderating or want to spend a lot of time on it.<br /><br />Parents please, especially when commenting anonymously, try to be careful about saying things that might be perceived as name calling or otherwise inappropriate.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-84809190135479103482013-10-12T05:08:20.905-07:002013-10-12T05:08:20.905-07:00GREG and/or Moderator--I'm new to posting on t...GREG and/or Moderator--I'm new to posting on the blogs, and I get that people can get passionate and occasionally say things the wrong way.<br /><br />However, can you share with us any guidelines for comments on this site? I find the posts calling the PTA "Slimy" and "petty individuals" specifically naming people to be particularly troubling. <br /><br />in response to Puzzleds question--<br /><br />I'm a brand new parent to SPS and APP. <br /><br />This post on the other blog is specifically about the candidates, following a debate last week. My thoughts about why Dale Estey is a better candidate are in there, as are many other thoughts:<br /><br />http://saveseattleschools.blogspot.com/2013/10/live-blogging-from-school-board-debate.html<br /><br />There do seem to be a fair number of strong and vocal personalities in APP. I certainly don't know and can't speak to any of the history of relationships or personalities within the school.<br /><br />But I can speak to my own personal assessment and I found Dale Estey to be incredibly well qualified, approachable and collaborative and on the right side of the issues.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />EdenUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00147954881410244096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-52098710761008808072013-10-12T00:21:22.437-07:002013-10-12T00:21:22.437-07:00I'm truly ashamed of the so-called leadership ...I'm truly ashamed of the so-called leadership in the SNAP PTA. They are a closed off group of petty individuals who crowd out any voices that differ from their own. Yes, I agree this is all a personal attack on a long standing APP parent who has advocated for advanced learners as well as other school communities. While some may not always agree with Sue Peters, she is a class act and has maintained her integrity despite some vile attacks. For Jean Bryant to engage in a witch hunt through a public records request is unconscionable and a black eye on our community. And by association I now put Suzanne Estey in the same dirty tricks category. I'm done with our PAT. They don't represent me. <br /><br />Sue, you have my vote and support. I will spread the word within Lincoln. Thank you remaining true to your convictions and enduring the blows. <br /><br />--Long Time APP Parent<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-77890120857408479052013-10-12T00:17:22.323-07:002013-10-12T00:17:22.323-07:00I'm truly ashamed of the so-called leadership ...I'm truly ashamed of the so-called leadership in the SNAP PTA. They are a closed off group of petty individuals who crowd out any voices that differ from their own. Yes, I agree this is all a personal attack on a long standing APP parent who has advocated for advanced learners as well as other school communities. While some may not always agree with Sue Peters, she is a class act and has maintained her integrity despite some vile attacks. For Jean Bryant to engage in a witch hunt through a public records request is unconscionable and a black eye on our community. And by association I now put Suzanne Estey in the same dirty tricks category. I'm done with our PAT. They don't represent me. <br /><br />Sue, you have my vote and support. I will spread the word within Lincoln. Thank you remaining true to your convictions and enduring the blows. <br /><br />--Long Time APP Parent<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-33826279487876559372013-10-11T18:46:37.507-07:002013-10-11T18:46:37.507-07:00Yes but I think the middle school projections are ...Yes but I think the middle school projections are way off. The district is projecting middle school APP is going to grow by 80% even though they project the rest if the district and elementary school APP will grow by 20%. I think splitting middle school APP into 3 cohorts is a terrible idea. <br /><br />JaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-5940544006592643182013-10-11T18:34:22.801-07:002013-10-11T18:34:22.801-07:00If their projections are right, I'm not too co...If their projections are right, I'm not too concerned about the size of the middle school cohort. ~100 APP kids per grade at each middle school isn't bad at all.<br /><br />SatisfiedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-75755886598524262922013-10-11T18:10:43.380-07:002013-10-11T18:10:43.380-07:003 way split of middle school APP...will the cohort...3 way split of middle school APP...will the cohorts really be large enough? And still no specific APP curriculum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-75285861248557874432013-10-11T13:50:18.463-07:002013-10-11T13:50:18.463-07:00Did you know an Advanced Learning Task Force began...Did you know an Advanced Learning Task Force began it's work yesterday?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/modules/groups/homepagefiles/cms/1583136/File/Departmental%20Content/school%20board/Friday%20Memos/2013-14/Oct%204/20131004_FridayMemo_TeachingLearningUpdate.pdf" rel="nofollow">Teaching and Learning Friday Memo</a><br /><br /><br />Who is on this task force? When do they meet and are those meetings open to the public? When will minutes of yesterday's meeting be publicly available?Lynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-10877413949122350592013-10-11T13:26:18.990-07:002013-10-11T13:26:18.990-07:00Agree. that was one screwy "survey". Go...Agree. that was one screwy "survey". Going through the motion of community engagement I guess. Sigh. Don't they realize people aren't all sheep and the district which is a master at this, knows what's up. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-2403532687225867512013-10-11T12:58:25.052-07:002013-10-11T12:58:25.052-07:00The worst part of the "clique" is how th...The worst part of the "clique" is how they aren't even listening to the (few) brave, new parents speaking up to say they don't like the tone of the Facebook page. This small, but very vocal, minority is alienating the majority of parents at the school. The vocal few are really feeding the stereotypes of "typical" APP parents. It makes me sick to be linked to the school. It makes me want to lobby for a split. My other beef is the survey recently sent out about what parents want the PTA to advocate for when it comes to APP. There were only 2 choices and no room for comments. With neither option allowing for comments on leaving APP elementary where it is and building a middle and high school at Wilson Pacific, it seemed like the results were pre-determined. I want a recall of our PTA! HA!! karennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-86704484808830352942013-10-11T12:34:30.634-07:002013-10-11T12:34:30.634-07:00Well as an undecided, I'm leaning toward Pete...Well as an undecided, I'm leaning toward Peters right now. If Estey's supporters, both the big $ and the personal issue ones, are clouding Estey's ability to act independently as a board rep, that makes me nervous. I want an independent thinker, acting on the best interest of ALL children in this district, and at the end of the day, a healthy, governing board. This district needs less personality turmoil, more grown up behaviors, given the many issues in front of us. <br /><br />tired of thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-88176057816714223952013-10-11T09:46:09.473-07:002013-10-11T09:46:09.473-07:00This slimy behavior fits the pattern of this parti...This slimy behavior fits the pattern of this particular person and the rest of group who follow her. The same scorched earth policy led to them publicly trying to vote down the BEX levy. It makes me sad to see people falling for the same tactics yet again this year with the VNESS initiative.<br /><br />Like the School - Ignore the Parents<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-85629496459121227562013-10-11T09:16:19.810-07:002013-10-11T09:16:19.810-07:00I'm disturbed by the thought of a parent doing...I'm disturbed by the thought of a parent doing a public records request on a fellow parent. I understand emails to school addresses become part of public record, and I am careful in the content of emails, yet...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-68007760822489580262013-10-11T08:27:28.342-07:002013-10-11T08:27:28.342-07:00There was a personal/school issue between the form...There was a personal/school issue between the former PTA leader and Sue Peters. <br /><br />This was two years ago and it is why some of the PTA is for Etsy. I believe some of this is an anti-Peters vote. The issue the PTA leadership and Peters disagreed on had to do with the former Lowell principals (Mr King and Ms G) and how they dealt with a student/IA issue. <br /><br />-in the knowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-13899595663781356392013-10-11T07:52:29.964-07:002013-10-11T07:52:29.964-07:00Puzzled:
You can always vote for Sue Peters, no ma...Puzzled:<br />You can always vote for Sue Peters, no matter who is supporting her opponent.<br />Just sayingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-24103618843455286832013-10-10T22:05:39.850-07:002013-10-10T22:05:39.850-07:00Because SNAPP saw the last election as a defeat, w...Because SNAPP saw the last election as a defeat, when the board power shifted from the DeBell/Carr/Sundquist bloc to Smith-Blum/Peaslee/McClaren (sorry for the names I left out). Dale-Estey and Peters align pretty neatly with the two factions, respectively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-70904739872254530792013-10-10T21:26:44.095-07:002013-10-10T21:26:44.095-07:00With the big money behind her, it makes me suspici...With the big money behind her, it makes me suspicious. What is in it for the donors?<br />NEMom<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-43112272259045534592013-10-10T17:05:10.294-07:002013-10-10T17:05:10.294-07:00Can anyone explain why the clique in the SNAPP PTA...Can anyone explain why the clique in the SNAPP PTA have thrown their support to Dale-Estey in the school board race? It seems extremely counter-intuitive.<br /><br />PuzzledAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-56832734395230279602013-10-09T23:19:14.377-07:002013-10-09T23:19:14.377-07:00I guess I am optimistic that more students will em...I guess I am optimistic that more students will emerge from the woodwork to have a viable program on West Seattle. I envision a program where WS kids have that 2 hours back WSparentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-81902179123075156032013-10-09T09:41:25.825-07:002013-10-09T09:41:25.825-07:00Actually, there's a third WS option - rotating...Actually, there's a third WS option - rotating by subject, certainly at 4th and 5th, if not below. For math it can be done at lower grades too. That's being fielded in more and more schools, not just APP. <br /><br />So a math specialist could teach a gen ed math and an APP/advanced math, which would require the unicorn of differentiation, but make it easier b/c the kids would be partially divided into differentiation already and the person teaching only has to differentiate in one subject, not in every area. <br /><br />Some subjects could be not-differentiated... There's a lot of way to implement it. <br /><br />Please note also, WSParent, that just putting APP 4th graders in w/gen ed 5th graders in a mixed class often does NOT work out - sometimes it does, but it can also be VERY frustrating if the 5th graders see 4th graders "getting" concept like long division with decimals or factoring with more ease and cruising past them. It can exacerbate problems for any struggling older kids, and the dynamic of having younger ones either "help" the older ones or "get it" can be very defeating.<br /><br />So while it might seem counter-intuitive, grouping APP 4th and 5th together, even when they are working fairly far apart in content, can actually be more positive for the students than grouping them in w/older gen ed. And since there's no real ceiling on APP achievement, some of the younger group will be working at the older AP level. <br /><br />Signed - build w/careAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-58507178063392049712013-10-09T09:13:44.939-07:002013-10-09T09:13:44.939-07:00WSparent,
Can I ask what you think the program wou...WSparent,<br />Can I ask what you think the program would look like? If we assume there isn't a huge influx of new students, there would have to be either multi-grade (more than two years) classrooms - or they will not be able to be self-contained. Which would you prefer? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-73891731479296347892013-10-08T22:37:26.722-07:002013-10-08T22:37:26.722-07:00I really do hope for an APP k-5 in West Seattle. T...I really do hope for an APP k-5 in West Seattle. The bus ride has been over 90 minutes long twice this weekWSparentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-56234983325202672092013-10-08T16:05:26.730-07:002013-10-08T16:05:26.730-07:00And a reminder: I have a 2E kid, and not every kid...And a reminder: I have a 2E kid, and not every kid who is unsuited to APP is unsuited because they are 2E. There are academic or temperament issues that having nothing to do with being 2E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-65094161100958089872013-10-08T14:23:06.019-07:002013-10-08T14:23:06.019-07:00Regarding ADHD: If my kid had ADHD, was behaving b...Regarding ADHD: If my kid had ADHD, was behaving badly at school and suffering because of it, and the problem could be corrected by the appropriate use of medication, I would want to know. I feel like parents sometimes have blinders on about their kids. I have a friend who resisted giving medication to her son, finally realized that it needed to happen, and now the kid's life is so much better. He has friends, isn't struggling in school, and has a hard time believing that he showed so many inappropriate behaviors in the past. If multiple teachers have suggested that your child needs medication, I would suggest that you take the kid to get evaluated. Maybe your kid is fine, but maybe not. It may have nothing to do with being bored.PMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-85428914665488824802013-10-08T09:00:06.719-07:002013-10-08T09:00:06.719-07:00From our experience and what I have heard from oth...From our experience and what I have heard from other parents, it is extremely common to have an APP child encounter a general education teacher that suggests use of drugs to dull the child, especially in the early elementary grades. We ourselves had that happen more than once.<br /><br />Some teachers just don't want to deal with the effort required for differentiation, so boredom and acting out becomes a problem for students who are not sufficiently challenged, which some teachers then deal with not by making students not bored, but by suggesting use of prescription drugs. We have had this happen both in private schools and public schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com