tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post4241547566515566702..comments2017-11-21T18:21:17.074-08:00Comments on Community Forum for HCC (APP) in Seattle Schools: 6th Grade Math PlacementAndrew Siegelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06830585083467140758noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-3224311329655949222017-06-28T20:31:18.691-07:002017-06-28T20:31:18.691-07:00My opinion is that the MAP isn't really design...My opinion is that the MAP isn't really designed for this purpose and the RIT scores give a false sense of authority.<br /><br />I added a link for an algebra readiness assessment to do at home at the top. The best part is that you can also use it to find areas to work on even if you already have opted in.Benjamin Leishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10974191081762367425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-72921978925945143912017-06-28T19:10:29.152-07:002017-06-28T19:10:29.152-07:00Probably not especially real. The MAP does not dis...Probably not especially real. The MAP does not distinguish especially well between a student who has heard if a concept vs one who has completely mastered it, especially in the upper ranges. If you just start asking your kid questions about the topics you'll probably get a sense fairly quickly of what they know.<br /><br />NJPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-39483862628637794422017-06-28T15:36:51.668-07:002017-06-28T15:36:51.668-07:00If the 250-260 RIT covers these topics, how likely...If the 250-260 RIT covers these topics, how likely to be real versus artifactual are the 270-280 scores?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-43741266778393758872017-06-28T13:16:35.284-07:002017-06-28T13:16:35.284-07:00Caveat: I'm not familiar with the question ban...Caveat: I'm not familiar with the question bank used on MAP in levels 2-5 vs 6+ or which version is being used. But no Cascadia is not covering trigonometry nor is it required for Algebra I. That falls comfortably into pre-calc.<br /><br />You can get a sense of what is covered just looking at the state standards for 6th and 7th grade since the Glencoe text adheres fairly closely to them.<br /><br />I posted a link a while back in the post with the actual topics that would be covered in Math 8. Those really are the only potential gap to worry about.<br /><br />Also in my experience working with kids, ratios and exponents are the most likely areas to target.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Benjamin Leishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10974191081762367425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-56119053003544451032017-06-28T13:06:55.873-07:002017-06-28T13:06:55.873-07:00I don't think so. I think mine knows this from...I don't think so. I think mine knows this from math club and playing around on Khan Academy. I have had a kid complete algebra in 6th before- are you wondering what it might be helpful to come in knowing?<br /><br />HTHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-55306722289245899102017-06-28T11:31:51.723-07:002017-06-28T11:31:51.723-07:00It does help, thanks. Were these covered at Cascad...It does help, thanks. Were these covered at Cascadia in grade 5?<br /><br />Trying to interpretAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-57742573193328913672017-06-28T11:01:37.683-07:002017-06-28T11:01:37.683-07:00Mine scored just above 250 and is familiar with al...Mine scored just above 250 and is familiar with all those concepts (though I would NOT say has mastered applying them in all settings, especially not what to do with sine/cosine/tangent; I just asked what a sine curve graphed would look like and got a ??? look). But sure, rotational symmetry, proofs, radicals, very comfortable with.<br /><br />Hope that helps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-65189186258001041312017-06-28T10:22:49.690-07:002017-06-28T10:22:49.690-07:00Question about MAP as placement test for Math 8 or...Question about MAP as placement test for Math 8 or algebra. Do the scores achieved match the level of your students skills? Are students scoring above 250 familiar with trig functions, radicals, postulates, theorems?<br /><br />https://teach.mapnwea.org/impl/maphelp/Content/Data/RIT2Concept.htm<br /><br />Trying to interpretAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-58610058698507986792017-06-08T13:37:30.442-07:002017-06-08T13:37:30.442-07:00No, 4 6th grade only sections of math 8. More 7th/...No, 4 6th grade only sections of math 8. More 7th/8th, but I don't know how many.<br /><br />NJPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-35833089846665411142017-06-08T10:54:14.549-07:002017-06-08T10:54:14.549-07:00So for Math 8, there were two 6th grade sections a...So for Math 8, there were two 6th grade sections and two 7/8th grade sections?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-78860265511260798112017-06-07T21:14:28.853-07:002017-06-07T21:14:28.853-07:00There were two teachers math 8 students could have...There were two teachers math 8 students could have last year, but I think there were more than 2 sections, more like 4. I think about 20% of HCC students opt up to Algebra. Mostly who were in HCC in 5th grade, but not entirely. Doing some back of the envelope math, there are a little more than 300 6th graders (let's say 320), not quite half of whom are HCC. 150, a slightly squishy number because of the blending, and math not being strictly HCC. About 5 sections of math, 1 of which is Algebra. This is more than 2 years ago- the school has grown.<br /><br />Again these numbers are rough. But I think you are asking for approximations, and I think that will do for those.<br /><br />-NJPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-42843487109092233832017-06-07T20:03:36.395-07:002017-06-07T20:03:36.395-07:00Last year there were 2 sections of Math 8 for 6th ...Last year there were 2 sections of Math 8 for 6th graders and 1 of Algebra. I haven't heard what the plans are for next year. They probably won't finalize that until after placement testing is complete, especially without teacher recommendations to help them plan for incoming students. <br />2HCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-80613811611943926792017-06-07T19:20:16.751-07:002017-06-07T19:20:16.751-07:00How many math classes are anticipated for HCC sixt...How many math classes are anticipated for HCC sixth-graders at JAMS? Does anyone know? Thanks. Will more than half the sixth-grade kids be in algebra in fall 2017?<br /><br />WonderingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-68033273819074305812017-06-06T22:23:48.477-07:002017-06-06T22:23:48.477-07:00Yes, I think there were at least 2 classes of 6th ...Yes, I think there were at least 2 classes of 6th graders last year when my child took it. And plenty of "mathy" kids. <br />2HCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-47277848406711347642017-06-06T21:41:26.920-07:002017-06-06T21:41:26.920-07:00@2HC, is there a sixth grade only Math 8 class too...@2HC, is there a sixth grade only Math 8 class too, like Algebra? Thx! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-62804633052086762642017-06-06T17:53:32.897-07:002017-06-06T17:53:32.897-07:00@math, 6th grade Math 8 does not move slowly at JA...@math, 6th grade Math 8 does not move slowly at JAMS. Everyone in the class is accelerated 2 years ahead and it's a challenging class that moves at their pace. You don't have to skip math 8 to get HCC/gifted-appropriate math instruction at JAMS. <br />2HCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-6555533740372326212017-06-06T13:09:50.574-07:002017-06-06T13:09:50.574-07:00I added some links for the general material in Mat...I added some links for the general material in Math 8. It is different than Math 7 so I'd recommend checking on a per child basis what areas may or may not be missing.Benjamin Leishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10974191081762367425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-78763009557522871482017-06-06T11:03:44.862-07:002017-06-06T11:03:44.862-07:00Struggle is ok, but "math" is not right....Struggle is ok, but "math" is not right. Plenty of kids each year struggle and drop. There are some organizational skills required. The school tries to scaffold, but moving to middle school is a big jump in many ways. Algebra in 6th can be a bad idea for plenty of very bright, "mathy" kids. I agree the teacher's policy is baffling and unhelpful, but so is a blanket assertion that algebra in 6th is easy peasy for any HCC student. I wish the teachers would make recommendations. They are the ones in the best position to know which kids will do well and who needs some more time.<br /><br />NJPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-83671320000854400122017-06-06T09:43:08.382-07:002017-06-06T09:43:08.382-07:00That is good to know, @math. I heard that some stu...That is good to know, @math. I heard that some students struggled but this is a good reminder that it is OK to struggle sometimes and you can still be successful in the class. That is why many of us moved to APP in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-83864842596068763272017-06-05T16:27:46.144-07:002017-06-05T16:27:46.144-07:00This just shows you the mismatch between the curre...This just shows you the mismatch between the current math teachers at Cascadia and gifted ed. It is sad, really. Last year, about 30 kids went to JAMS to Algebra 1 in 6th grade. Not one of them had any problems whatsoever. Remember, math in middle school is NOT HCC, meaning, it is not accelerated. These highly capable students learn quickly, without repetition, that is their hallmark. In contrast, math moves so slowly, so, even an HCC student student who isn't "mathy" given their propensity to learn really quickly, can readily handle the material no problem. <br /><br />Math 8 is mostly a repeat of math 7. And, math 8 moves slowly. So yes, the teachers blocking the kids' access to algebra 1 in this way is very, very puzzling at best, ignorant and prejudiced at worst. <br /><br />Besides, we are suppose to be able to opt up one course in math. So, why discriminate against just HCC students, for whom a skip means passing over math 8? The inconsistency really does highlight the anti-student attitudes.<br /><br />math<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-12105810015664903492017-06-04T19:39:23.059-07:002017-06-04T19:39:23.059-07:00Thanks Benjamin,
I did get letters from JAMS befo...Thanks Benjamin,<br /><br />I did get letters from JAMS before, so they should have our address on file. It is a little bizarre that we didn't get a letter. I just sent an email to the registrar hoping to find answers. Thanks for providing the dates!<br /><br />AndreasAndreas Karchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13135692673954816774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-85021087924516425622017-06-03T09:23:52.850-07:002017-06-03T09:23:52.850-07:00What is it they are uncomfortable about? What is it they are uncomfortable about? Melissa Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179994245880629080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-69006217877529892152017-06-02T20:48:06.443-07:002017-06-02T20:48:06.443-07:00Hi Andreas,
I added the placement test dates in th...Hi Andreas,<br />I added the placement test dates in the main post. I'd recommend contacting the school to fix-up your contact information.<br />Hope this helpsBenjamin Leishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10974191081762367425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-45978216122259008572017-06-02T20:01:19.274-07:002017-06-02T20:01:19.274-07:00I am father of a Cascadia current 5th grader on he...I am father of a Cascadia current 5th grader on her way to JAMS. We haven't received any letters regarding Math placement next year so far. From what is posted here I gather that a placement test will be offered for children thinking of opting up to take Algebra in 6th grade. For those of you who got a letter already, do you mind sharing when the test dates will be?Andreas Karchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13135692673954816774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-32886304860617416732017-06-02T10:58:11.331-07:002017-06-02T10:58:11.331-07:00Please remember that there will always be a range ...Please remember that there will always be a range of speed and ability in classes at this level in public school. If kids have met the requirement to be in Math 8 (as in, received passing grades in math this year), it shouldn't be for others to ask whether they need more repetition by repeating Math 7. Even a self-selecting group that moves up to further acceleration should and will have a range of abilities and that is OK too. The teachers must set a reasonable pace and requirements and it is OK to ask kids to put in extra work to keep up if need be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com