tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post6314891127988842490..comments2024-02-28T22:24:07.299-08:00Comments on Community Forum for HCC (APP) in Seattle Schools: Latest Board AgendaAndrew Siegelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06830585083467140758noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-80035411394323029732017-12-11T07:03:54.866-08:002017-12-11T07:03:54.866-08:00Along the lines of what all types posted, I agree ...Along the lines of what all types posted, I agree that having the socio-emotional needs of peers is super important for HC all the way K-12. I don't think the group needs to be exclusive though in the classroom, but their do need to be some peers to whom they can relate. My kid mixes well with other kids and works well in a group. We have always involved her in activities with kids from a range of backgrounds. But was really lonely until having the opportunity of meeting HC kids with similar interests in middle HC. <br /><br />This is same for high school where I fear smart HC girls who are interested in (& underrepresented in) fields like engineering will not get peer support if not grouped with like minded peers. This is an unintended consequence of "sending kids back to neighborhood schools." Even at schools like Ballard, I noticed boys overwhelmingly tend to dominate these clubs etc. I can imagine how it would be for these girls at some other high schools. <br /><br />Directors if you are listening, keeping pathways are important. <br />HIMS Parent Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-76799387276113641252017-12-08T18:47:47.896-08:002017-12-08T18:47:47.896-08:00For the record, the Seattle School Board votes on ...For the record, the Seattle School Board votes on future HC pathways went down as follows:<br /><br />Director Burke moved (& Director Harris seconded) Amendment 1 to the Staff Recommended 5 + 1 Plan (3S + 2N + 1IBXN) (Option #3), which would have removed all pathway language from the 2018-19 Student Assignment Transitional Plan (SATP), so that HC pathways would be determined together with 2019-20 high school boundaries:<br />aye: Harris, Mack, Burke <br />nay: Patu, DeWolf, Geary, Pinkham <br />Amendment 1 fails 3/4<br /><br />Director Geary moved (& Director DeWolf seconded) Amendment 2 to the Staff Recommended 5 + 1 Plan (3S + 2N + 1IBXN) (Option #3), which would require that HC pathways be established at all attendance area high schools (10 + 1IBXN Plan) in two years by 2020-21 (5S + 5N + 1IBXN) (Option #4):<br />aye: Harris, Burke, Patu, DeWolf, Geary, Pinkham <br />nay: Mack<br />Amendment 2 passes 6/1<br /><br />Director Geary moved (& Director Patu seconded) Amendment 3 to the Staff Recommended 5 + 1 Plan (5S + 5N + 1IBXN) (Option #3) as amended by the Geary Amendment 2 two-year transition to District Vision 10 + 1 Plan (5S + 5N + 1IBXN) (Option #4), which would remove Franklin High School from the Staff Recommended 2019-21 5 + 1 Plan (Option #3) thus turning the transitional two-year amended staff recommended 5 + 1 Plan into a proposed Geary transitional 4 + 1 Plan (2S + 2N + 1IBXN) (new option) to be followed in two years by the proposed Geary District Vision 10 + 1 Plan (5s + 5N + 1IBXN) (Option #4): <br />aye: Harris, Mack, Burke, Patu, DeWolf, Geary, Pinkham<br />nay: none<br />Amendment 3 passes 7/0<br /><br />Director Burke moved (& Director Mack seconded) Amendment 4 to the new Geary 4 + 1 Plan (2S + 2N +1IBXN) (new option) as amended by Geary Amendments 2 and 3, which would also remove Lincoln High School (and potentially Roosevelt and Ballard High Schools) from the proposed Geary transitional 4 + 1 Plan (new option) thus turning the proposed Geary transitional 4 + 1 Plan (2S + 2N + 1IBXN) into a proposed Burke transitional 5 + 1 Plan (2S + 3N + 1IBXN) (new option). Chair Harris queried whether Burke Amendment 4 was out-of-order to which SPS deputy general counsel confirmed it was allowed:<br />aye: Mack, Burke <br />nay: Harris, Patu, DeWolf, Geary, Pinkham<br />Amendment 4 fails 2/5<br /><br />Main Motion moved Staff Recommended 5 + 1 Plan as amended by Geary Amendment 3 4 + 1 Plan (new option) transitioning by 2020-21 to Geary Amendment 2 District Vision 10 + 1 Plan (Option #4):<br />aye: Geary, Pinkham<br />nay: Harris, Mack, Burke, Patu, DeWolf<br />Staff recommended 2018-19 Student Assignment Transition Plan (SATP) as amended by Geary Amendment 3 (4 + 1 Plan) (new option) and Geary Amendment 2 (District Vision 10 + 1 Plan in two years transitioning all high schools to future HC pathways) (Option #4) fails 2/5<br />SPS deputy general counsel advises that SPS will accordingly continue to assign students according to current plan.<br /><br />Amidst all the surprise (tempered by preemptive directorial remarks before votes were cast), Director Pinkham smiled and chuckled with Director Mack, while Director Geary threw her head back in a Shakespearean gesture and stared at the ceiling.Doctor Hunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-45289544296181397572017-12-08T09:04:30.000-08:002017-12-08T09:04:30.000-08:00@Sheesh-- "Start Lincoln as the HCC site. Tak...@Sheesh-- "Start Lincoln as the HCC site. Take teachers from GHS."<br />"Watch the board meeting and listen to all the directors. I doubt that will happen. That is not direction they are heading.<br />parent Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-13316542786106961512017-12-08T09:01:41.573-08:002017-12-08T09:01:41.573-08:00The board's voting on an amendment (all but Ed...The board's voting on an amendment (all but Eden) to send them to neighborhood schools by 2021<br />tells you the direction. Burke made comments about no pathways at all for all schools and they can be served by MTSS (Multiple Tiered Support Services). Patu spoke about Franklin principal not waiting HC pathway, no HC designation, students to receive no "special" services and will be treated the same as every other student (read same curriculum, no same age peers). HC designation is given by the state. <br />parent. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-29452085583098967472017-12-07T23:11:21.857-08:002017-12-07T23:11:21.857-08:00Thank Michael Tolley, Wyeth Jessie, Karri Campbell...Thank Michael Tolley, Wyeth Jessie, Karri Campbell as their idea of outreach was ram this whole thing down the boards throat. What a crock. <br /><br />Then there are the equity crusaders a high and mighty. Too bad they can't rub two facts together and start a fire and burn down HCC. If they could they would especially FWIW as she conflates every fact... So why not conflagrate every fact.<br /><br />Equity should mean one group doesn't need to bus one hour away because they are mostly white, right. <br /><br />Now we are back to square one. A new series of thoughtexchange about nothing to parade as engagement? Or how about this. Start Lincoln as the HCC site. Take teachers from GHS. That would have been needed there but because of capacity won't now. Right this would be a zero sum gain. <br /><br />SheeshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-69124069778519636322017-12-07T09:02:50.500-08:002017-12-07T09:02:50.500-08:00I have not seen the video from the board meeting l...I have not seen the video from the board meeting last night or the votes yet so I'm delaying setting up another thread but after I have time or a get a clear story on where we're at I will do so.Benjamin Leishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10974191081762367425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-49052879482405280762017-12-07T01:21:41.965-08:002017-12-07T01:21:41.965-08:00"Amendment 2 -- Approval of this item would i..."Amendment 2 -- Approval of this item would include language in the Student Assignment Transition Plan for 2018-19 stating that, starting in the 2021-22 school year, students entering high school from a highly capable program or with a highly capable designation would have a default assignment to their neighborhood school. (Directors Geary, DeWolf and Patu) (This item added on 12/6)" Last minute amendment to Board Agenda<br /><br />"Update: my understanding is that by voting down the SATP, vote for the amendment to end HCC high school pathways is now void." Melissa Westbrook<br /><br />Curiouser and curiouser. What a shambles this "process" has become . . . . Doctor Hunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-75744961493598611982017-12-07T00:31:01.162-08:002017-12-07T00:31:01.162-08:00The school board rejected the proposed HS HC pathw...The school board rejected the proposed HS HC pathway plan at tonight's board meeting. What happens next is a mystery to me though it seems that the Garfield overenrollment problem is going to need to be solved soon.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02296128290946135460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-33903652448097511212017-12-05T13:54:41.733-08:002017-12-05T13:54:41.733-08:00Exactly all types, I was thinking along the same l...Exactly all types, I was thinking along the same lines of what you so thoughtfully articulated when I read 2.5's post. I also think that although parents might understand a neighborhood school to be less than perfect as compared to Garfield, commute time and our increased traffic have had a big impact on these decisions. In addition, there are many parents (RHS & BHS) who prefer their kids stay in the neighborhood, and just accept those particular schools can serve them reasonably well. <br /><br />I do think they serve them reasonably well, although not as many HC peers, not as many honors and AP science classes/sections available, and advanced curriculum pathways not clearly articulated. But the flip side is I am hearing that honors classes at some schools (Ingraham ex) are not as rigorous as some of the regular classes at BHS.<br />TR <br />K Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-13669206314450624862017-12-05T11:34:34.572-08:002017-12-05T11:34:34.572-08:00@ Option 2.5, I suggest you think a little more de...@ Option 2.5, I suggest you think a little more deeply about the issue you raised. You said:<br /><br /><i>It's funny to me in a sad way when you say "the majority of parents all want their kids to be served in their neighborhood school" because that's demonstrably not true for families of HC students. There's a reason so many people have traveled so far to get to Garfield or Ingraham. There's a reason why Ingraham's HC enrollment is full. Families do choose to send some HC students to some high schools other than Garfield or Ingraham, but not that many. Families are absolutely NOT wanting to send large numbers of HC students to Rainier Beach, West Seattle, Chief Sealth, Franklin or Hale. So, when you say "the majority of parents all want their kids to be served in their neighborhood school" I call B.S. Families can send HC students to their neighborhood school right now. And how many do? </i><br /><br />I call BS on you. The answer is right there in the first sentence, with the key word being "served." Parents want their kids to be <b>served</b> in their neighborhood school. Served means that they can get their needs met. For many HC students, that means access to advanced classes that are not available--or sufficiently available--at their neighborhood schools. In those cases, kids are essentially forced to go to Garfield or Ingraham instead. Most parents and students would love it if their neighborhood school offered enough sufficiently advanced classes for their HC students, as well as a sufficiently sized cohort of HC students to (a) ensure ongoing class availability, and (b) ensure sufficient contact with other HC students, which is often essential for HC student social/emotional health. (It's not always so great for your mental health to be an intellectual outlier, you know. HC students need opportunities to connect intellectually with others.) Sure, kids can GO to the neighborhood school now, but in many cases that school won't really SERVE them well. For some kids, and some schools, it will. For other kids, who have different needs, not so much. <br /><br />The percentage that stay/go doesn't say anything about the interests of parents. Rather, it says more about the ability of those schools to meet, or try to meet, students' needs. Some schools are clearly better at it than others. <br /><br />all types<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-88657469016986235492017-12-05T11:15:06.866-08:002017-12-05T11:15:06.866-08:00@H, parents aren't "pressing a movement t...@H, parents aren't "pressing a movement to MOVE all north end students to Lincoln & make it an HC school, because they think it is one solution to help solve capacity issues." Making it an HC pathway school doesn't MOVE students. Students aren't forced to attend an HC school. If HC students who live in the Ballard or Roosevelt zones want to stay at those schools, they still could...provided, of course, they are still in those assignment zones once the boundaries are redrawn. Which also means the district doesn't have to "lure" students away from Roosevelt and Ballard, since they can just redraw many of them out. Like they will. <br /> <br />It sounds like we're going to end up with a situation whereby HC students in the Roosevelt and Ballard areas get to go to their neighborhood school which is happy to meet their needs, while HC students in the Wallingford area will need to go to Garfield--which will likely have reduced advanced offerings given the smaller cohort, and which is increasingly becoming more anti-HC--or Lincoln, which also appears to have little interest in trying to meet the needs of HC students. <br /><br />reality bites<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-48925119767592210732017-12-04T14:14:12.583-08:002017-12-04T14:14:12.583-08:00We wouldn't! We have a middle schooler, althou...We wouldn't! We have a middle schooler, although not an 8th grader, and a younger one, and we would've likely chosen Lincoln if it retained enough of a cohort via the mechanisms Ben pointed out.<br /><br />Another HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-842444320061140302017-12-04T11:57:08.663-08:002017-12-04T11:57:08.663-08:00@option 2.5 "Lincoln could offer the magic fo...@option 2.5 "Lincoln could offer the magic formula to lure them away." Not from Roosevelt or Ballard they can't. Why? Those schools are close and already serving HC students. In the past couple of years there has been a huge shift away from Garfield. <br />Agree with Move on, Juicy Goofy and the other posters on this blog. <br /><br />But be aware there are other people/parents (without HC kids) pressing a movement to MOVE all north end students to Lincoln & make it an HC school, because they think it is one solution to help solve capacity issues. <br /><br />But the outcome would likely not work as they cannot force HC to attend Lincoln even if they make it an HC option. I truly think this effort is midguided at this point. Especially since so many HC are already at the future north end regional pathway schools and those schools are working for them. <br /><br />The only way they can assure Lincoln will truly fill is to move boundaries. Every single parent I know in the BHS, IHS & RHS zones said they would choose neighborhood school instead. <br />HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-29379762196403791012017-12-04T11:34:28.963-08:002017-12-04T11:34:28.963-08:00
The Board may likely vote on this on Wednesday. I...<br />The Board may likely vote on this on Wednesday. If you like being steamrolled by Staff with zero input do nothing. If not contact everyone you know and ask them to send this back to the Operations Committee. <br /><br />UGHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-66252769932344159132017-12-04T09:58:43.729-08:002017-12-04T09:58:43.729-08:00If you look at the current numbers the answer is m...If you look at the current numbers the answer is mixed (See: http://discussapp.blogspot.com/2017/11/high-school-pathway-demographics.html) . Things are fairly even distributed at Ballard (no class is over 50%) and spikier at Roosevelt with probably over 50% in the freshman class and generally smaller in all other years.<br /><br />As I said before substantial numbers of kids (even just from the north end) are still going to Garfield (and Ingraham). In fact the system needs all of this to occur in order to keep the buildings from bursting and you could interpret some of policy moves as incentives to have families move around and balance things out.<br /><br />If Lincoln came back on the table as an alternative, I think its reasonable to interpolate the numbers of families that currently stay on the pathway as evidence that you could create viable cohorts there especially with the reference area families from Wallingford/QA/Magnolia who would go by default. <br /><br />My feeling also is there is a strong crowd/peer effect to the choices everyone makes and that pathways (even new ones) continue to draw because it takes more effort to opt out.<br /><br />But none of this happens in a vacuum. You can adjust the incentives and rules of the system to achieve any distribution you want in the end. So for instance, on startup IHS offered self contained honor classes which I'm sure contributed to the strong demand to go there initially. Likewise, the rerouting of the 48 I'd guess also had a negative effect on Garfield.<br />Benjamin Leishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10974191081762367425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-21396342622073128832017-12-03T23:13:22.387-08:002017-12-03T23:13:22.387-08:00If 40% of all HC Roosevelt and Ballard students at...If 40% of all HC Roosevelt and Ballard students attend their local school then the percentage of freshpersons is surely over 50%. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-37806990454803067852017-12-03T16:34:54.162-08:002017-12-03T16:34:54.162-08:00I think the fear with Lincoln is not that the scho...I think the fear with Lincoln is not that the school won't offer AP classes, but more that project-based learning causes a lot of parents who were gifted back when they were in school to have nausea-inducing flashbacks of group work projects gone wrong. Project-based learning can be done well and it can be done not well. And for gifted students the potential pitfalls and benefits may differ from those of other students. What all the conversation about Lincoln has failed to instill in parents of HC students is confidence that their child will be educated well at Lincoln. <br /><br />Will the content be advanced enough? Will the concepts dealt with be complex enough? Will connections between disciplines be pointed out and encouraged (instead of siloing)? Will students who have learned no study skills prior to high school (because their intellect allowed them to compensate without learning any) be taught how to deal with something that's hard if/when they hit a subject that the student finds hard?<br /><br />Research about project-based learning (PBL) is promising, but parents don't know that because it's relatively new. Do students do well on standardized tests? Do they learn research skills? Can PBL students understand the subject matter at a deeper level than students taught by traditional methods? Are they more deeply engaged in their work? The majority of parents don't know the answer to these questions. And they don't know whether the answers are the same or different for gifted students. If the principal of Lincoln were communicating this to parents, it would help. She is not.<br /><br />But beyond that, there is the even bigger problem that very few families know whether they'll be assigned to Lincoln or not. Who's going to go there or has the option of going there will affect who's going to care about what Lincoln offers. And since no one knows that, fear prevails. <br /><br />Many Seattle families, particularly SPED and HCC families, have been through a LOT already. The district has left us feeling nervous. And if one-size-fits-all has not traditionally fit your student, especially leery. <br /><br />Go Lynxes?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-7045874609961213542017-12-03T13:55:01.092-08:002017-12-03T13:55:01.092-08:00I personally think anonymous on 12/2 at 1:07 hit t...I personally think anonymous on 12/2 at 1:07 hit the nail on the head. Though it does make the best sense on paper, current HC students probably won't enroll at Lincoln, even if it were HC. With suitable options like Ingraham, Ballard and Roosevelt (as is), Lincoln will be a hard sell. <br /><br />After suffering through the move from HIMS to REMS, my 8th grader has declared that she will never go to a start up school again, even if it means leaving HCC. Maybe Lincoln could be an HC school in a few years, after it has 4 full grades and current HC students (who went there for elementary) have moved on.juicygoofyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05735795370601846385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-13546019515805782952017-12-03T11:41:17.754-08:002017-12-03T11:41:17.754-08:00Why all this rumor that Lincoln won't have AP ...Why all this rumor that Lincoln won't have AP classes? According the link on this posting, West Seattle HS has a healthy number of AP options. The current Lincoln principal spent years in charge of West Seattle. I've been to several of the Lincoln meetings and never heard it suggested that Lincoln would not have AP courses and a strong academic math/science leaning. Just wondering where fear of the new and reality meet up here.<br /><br />HelenHelenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05984542710617783364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-2592144776513267582017-12-03T09:20:28.793-08:002017-12-03T09:20:28.793-08:00I don't understand why the posters on this blo...I don't understand why the posters on this blog keep bringing up Lincoln. Haven't a large percentage of us in APP/HCC witnessed first hand what Principals who are hostile to advanced learning (AL) do to the program? My family certainly has. We had to change middle schools to access appropriate class levels due to inconsistent policies between HIMS and JAMS. If the Principal at Lincoln is not on board then advocating for placement of AL there would be a further death knell to AL in the district. Not all principals are hostile to AL. But this Lincoln Principal is on record as not on board with HC. That should tell you everything. The district abdicates all academic decisions to the Principals. I have an email from Tolley saying that very thing - that Principals have the final word on the administration of academic programs at each school - including access to AL classes. Short of replacing the Lincoln Principal with someone else, the district is actually doing HC a favor by placing it in schools with supportive Principals. I agree that it seems baroque but our personal experience has been that Principals have considerable, perhaps complete, leeway within their school to promote or destroy AL depending on their philosophical views. It seems time to....<br /><br />MoveOnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-54692699074933225322017-12-03T00:42:43.825-08:002017-12-03T00:42:43.825-08:00@pragmatic--
It's funny to me in a sad way whe...@pragmatic--<br />It's funny to me in a sad way when you say "the majority of parents all want their kids to be served in their neighborhood school" because that's demonstrably not true for families of HC students. There's a reason so many people have traveled so far to get to Garfield or Ingraham. There's a reason why Ingraham's HC enrollment is full. Families do choose to send <b>some</b> HC students to <b>some</b> high schools other than Garfield or Ingraham, but not that many. Families are absolutely NOT wanting to send large numbers of HC students to Rainier Beach, West Seattle, Chief Sealth, Franklin or Hale. <br /><br />So, when you say "the majority of parents all want their kids to be served in their neighborhood school" I call B.S. Families can send HC students to their neighborhood school right now. And how many do? Here's an estimated percentage of students who wanted to stay at their neighborhood school in 2016-17 by neighborhood school:<br />Hale 18%<br />Roosevelt 40%<br />Ballard 39%<br />Ingraham 81%<br />Garfield 99%<br />Franklin 9%<br />RBHS 2%<br />Sealth 30%<br />WSHS 23%<br /><br />Roosevelt does the best of the schools without HC high school services, but 40% isn't really much of a vote of confidence. That means even at Roosevelt 60% of families thought their student would get a better education by traveling out of the neighborhood.<br /><br />Lincoln <b>could</b> offer the magic formula to lure them away. All it takes to lure a Hale family is the promise that your kid won't have to repeat years of classes. All it would take to lure a Rainier Beach family away is the promise that there would be a single other HC identified student in the entire school so your student wouldn't be the only one. It's pretty easy to see from this blog that families want AP Calc BC or a science class with actual textbooks or really any school that doesn't plan on outsourcing students to Running Start.<br /><br />Anyway, if you don't happen to live in the assignment zone for Garfield, Ingraham, Ballard or Roosevelt, chances are high that families DON'T want their HC students to be served in their neighborhood school. And even if you live in the Ballard or Roosevelt zones, only about 40% currently want their students to go to the local school.Option 2.5noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-91983078493805153622017-12-02T15:56:50.536-08:002017-12-02T15:56:50.536-08:00@RN " But, placing a big program like HCC at ...@RN " But, placing a big program like HCC at two filled, popular schools like Ballard and Roosevelt seems backwards, over placing them at Lincoln where a priority could be made to offer a variety of AP coursework that actually could be a draw for some students who really want to stay part of this cohort for the social and academic reasons that drew many of us to that program to begin with." <br /><br />They are already there (like your kid) as most live within the boundary, making it designated HC would not add as much in the total scheme of things. Roosevelt overpopulation as Benjamin pointed out is mostly due to the overall gen ed increase. They need to pull kids into Lincoln no matter what. They are overcrowded no matter what. I also predict most HC would still choose Roosevelt (or Ballard) if their neighborhood school over Lincoln. The only way they will get HC at Lincoln is if HC has no other neighborhood option. Adjusting boundaries is the only way they can be sure to fill Lincoln. <br />perspective<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-30514318341209899682017-12-02T13:07:15.081-08:002017-12-02T13:07:15.081-08:00@ Option 2.5-- If you are suggesting a single (did...@ Option 2.5-- If you are suggesting a single (did I understand you correctly) North end option (ex Lincoln) there is a big issue. NE & NW students will still have neighborhood access of choice to Ballard & Roosevelt. There are large factions of HC already attending those schools. In talking with other parents, none have expressed wanting to send the younger ones to Lincoln even if designated HC. So likely they will be unable to pull away those students from schools already serving them well, in their neighborhoods. I truly think the majority of parents all want their kids to be served in their neighborhood school as long as it can serve them. Lincoln won't offer a magic formula to lure them away. <br />-pragmaticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-84424443369481786182017-12-02T10:16:03.341-08:002017-12-02T10:16:03.341-08:00In an ideal scenario (ideal) all HC kids would rem...In an ideal scenario (ideal) all HC kids would remain in their neighborhoods, all kids would have access to AP/IB courses, HC kids would have access to their seamless (remember defined as basic ed for them ) educational curriculum of advanced classes. <br /><br />IB at Ingraham when they add 500 seats in 2019 can be a great option for Hale, Lincoln and any other students. IB should be made available to all kids as an option. It should not be so full (Ingraham) that only neighborhood kids or a limited cap of HC can access. <br /><br />Reading the document, HC in all schools (so AP courses added to Hale, Lincoln etc?) is the ultimate goal. The proposal also makes clear there needs to be a seamless curriculum pathway or OSPI has said they will not meet state requirements. So this means enough offerings will have to be there. In fact OSPI said just offering IB or AP courses is not enough on its own. They need to show they have a pathway plan. <br /><br />In my opinion, they are also transitioning from the former choice model to a new neighborhood school model simultaneously. Reading the proposal, this means the principals may not define what the school offers. They cannot continue to create an unwelcoming environment for some students (HC) where the district uses AP courses to meet the definition of a basic education of seamless curriculum for them. This means Hale and Lincoln's offerings will likely also change in time. <br />BN Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649338642905686469.post-44576879385848679102017-12-02T10:01:16.087-08:002017-12-02T10:01:16.087-08:00@GLP-- " What would this 5 pathway scenario l...@GLP-- " What would this 5 pathway scenario look like in 2019, 2023, etc.? " In the proposal the staff said the 5 pathway regional plan is transitional. The ultimate plan is to build up offerings so they can move HC to all high schools. <br />BNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com